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Shane Hewitt (00:01.815)
Cool Canadians, I want to introduce you to cool Canadians. And it’s actually because of a cool Canadian that I get to introduce you to this cool Canadian. My connection to George Strombolopoulos is actually Jim Richards, New Sock 1010 Toronto. And Jim and George, they’re like penguins, these two. They’re in love for life, these brothers. it’s with Jim’s help, actually, that we get connected with George Strombolopoulos. Strombo is here. Hey, bud.

George Stroumboulopoulos (00:21.688)
Yep. Yep.

George Stroumboulopoulos (00:30.574)
How are you? Yeah, Jim is my guy. Jim is. Jim’s a really special man and he’s also a fantastic broadcaster, as you know, but he’s a special guy. You know, he is. Yeah, I really love him. So happy to do it. Happy to do it. How are you?

Shane Hewitt (00:39.91)
he’s a special guy.

What’s your I’m great. Thank you. I’m going to still talk about Jim though for one more second. What’s what’s your favorite thing? If you could pick one thing about Jim that sets him apart any sort of character piece about him that you love the most that sets him apart? What is it?

George Stroumboulopoulos (01:03.543)
Jim is.

always, Jim is always trying to be better. Jim, you know, it’s funny, know, Jim and I are really close, like really close. We’re brothers and we went decades without even being inside each other’s homes because we’re both very isolated, very private, very much in our own heads and under headphones.

But both of us have tried to grow as men, you cause if you start as boys on the radio and TV and you’re just doing the shows and we live for the shows. So Jim is always trying to grow and be better as a human. But my favorite thing about being around Jim is how, and I think maybe I learned this from him too, is we’re always practicing for our show. If we’re driving and we stop at a red light and there’s a billboard,

Jim’s reading the billboard like he’s doing a spot. Like it’s just, Jim is always trying to be better at things. And I just love people who recognize that life is so short and spaces is the enemy of joy. And he is always trying to grow. I just think it’s so beautiful. And he’s funny as hell. know that, but he’s way more thoughtful than people think because he’s so funny. so it can be strange on the air in a good way. He’s really, really thoughtful. And yeah, it’s just really beautiful.

Shane Hewitt (02:19.339)
Way more.

George Stroumboulopoulos (02:28.142)
He’s just such a great guy.

Shane Hewitt (02:28.31)
it’s an it’s amazing to me to think that for how how much he goes through in his day for his normal day. And I mean, I would just imagine that just the the vibrancy and brightness of his wardrobe would be enough to occupy a lot of his brain for some of the day.

George Stroumboulopoulos (02:43.918)
It’s mental. It’s mental. He texts me. He’ll text me pictures. He’s like, Hey, can I go out wearing this? And I look at him and I just think the world would be, it would be a crime if you didn’t. It would be a crime if you didn’t.

Shane Hewitt (02:55.095)
It depends. Am I going to be with you on this trip or not? Because if you’re going by yourself, you go for it. But that being said, I’m sorry, no, it’s all right. I just I was gonna say that he for what all the things are in his head. I feel bad that we’re talking about him without him here. But it’s good stuff. But he will still if you see something for you in his day, he will stop pause, make sure it gets in front of you whether it’s an idea.

George Stroumboulopoulos (02:59.822)
my god, Jim and I have traveled the world together. Yeah, sir, carry on.

George Stroumboulopoulos (03:20.408)
Yeah. Yeah.

Shane Hewitt (03:21.107)
bit a piece or whatever and then randomly these things thought of you sent Right. So it’s not only that he’s into he’s doing it for you and for me and for everybody

George Stroumboulopoulos (03:26.732)
Yeah, totally, totally.

George Stroumboulopoulos (03:31.734)
Our, our, our text exchange, aside from, inappropriate jokes is filled with here’s a bit for you. Here’s a bit like it’s, it’s constantly trying to help exactly what you said, because it is this idea that, look, we live in a business that is so competitive and so stupid. And it’s filled with guys, men and women and whichever gender, all genders who are driven by lots of different factors. And in many cases.

It’s painted with a paintbrush heavily, heavily dipped in the oil of insecurity. And the problem with that is it prevents actual beauty from happening because it really happens in collaboration with others. And Jim knows this Jim wants everybody to be better. I want everybody to be better. I’m certain you do too, Shane. And this is the thing that, that the art, our industry doesn’t have enough of. And I just love the fact that OGs like Jim.

lead the way. I always said I tried to be Oasis to Jim’s The Beatles in my career.

Shane Hewitt (04:33.878)
Jim, Jim is very much the Beatles. There’s no denying that. You said

George Stroumboulopoulos (04:38.382)
1965 and on. He’s Jim. He’s the Beatles from help and on. Yeah.

Shane Hewitt (04:41.044)
Yeah. That’s so true. my god. And it fits them too. That’s the thing. Like you talk about a guy who was trapped in the wrong era. You said we’re driven by a lot of different factors. What are you driven by?

George Stroumboulopoulos (04:45.645)
Ha ha!

Yeah.

George Stroumboulopoulos (04:55.852)
Well, this is the strange part, Shane. I’m not driven at all by any of this. actually, I like sharing music. I like sharing ideas. like contributing to, I want everybody who listed, this is going to sound so ridiculous, but it’s actually what I think. And I actually plan that when I’m doing a thing professionally, I think about this. Maybe it’s true in my life too, is I want myself and everybody who’s connected to me to go to bed knowing a little more than they did when they woke up.

feeling a little better than they did when they woke up and maybe even being a little lovelier than they were when they woke up. So I know that my, I have varied interests. So to me, music and film and politics and activism and advocacy and sports. I know that I am so interested in so many subjects. So I have the ability to kind of communicate to a lot of different kinds of people. don’t have a niche per se.

So I just make the most of my opportunity, which is my curiosity and my passion for life, my joy for this life. So I don’t know that I actually have any other motivating factor, except I just want to enjoy this little blip of time I have on this planet. And I have so much joy. I gained so much joy in sharing music and ideas with people and finding those a way to make those ideas practical. How can we apply them to our life?

I don’t, didn’t want to, this is not my career goal to be in the public eyes. Not my, it’s not what I set out to do. had zero interest in any of this. It’s just the thing that happened. And I throw myself wholeheartedly into the things that I do. So here I am 30 odd years later.

Shane Hewitt (06:35.606)
It’s amazing. It’s very true. I wrote a piece that I think you might like. It just says, leave them better than you found them. And that’s work every day. That’s life every day.

George Stroumboulopoulos (06:45.55)
Always. Yeah. And you you grow and you learn and you realize over time that you, that I haven’t done that in my life. And I, I’m, I’m marvel at people who say they have no regrets. think they’re lying or they’re oblivious, but I have so many regrets and I, I want to make sure that every day is just a better experience than it was the day before.

And the other thing to me about what drives why I’m not driven is I don’t really value. My experience in the world, you know, it’s I don’t really care about how I feel about things. I don’t really care how I think about things. I love the exploration of it. And I would hate to be so privileged as to explore so much and then have all that experience shaped by.

pre-existing notion or an opinion based on what on my conditioning, on my education or lack thereof. Like I just find, find even though I am the main character in my career, I’m not really the main character of my life. I’m just part of this other bigger thing. And I really liked that about the human experience. At least I, I tried this, you know, I think we always are subject to our chemistry. we kind of have to, our first reaction is not as interesting to me as our second reaction.

And the second reaction is the thing that I’m constantly working on and trying to get the gap between the two to be much shorter.

Shane Hewitt (08:17.726)
shorter every day. Very first thing I ever wrote was that I called it the instant, right? And the the instant there’s value to both those moments, right? There’s the natural reaction where you get mad at that other driver and you say things you probably would never say to anybody. And then there’s the one that comes afterwards, which is the little bit more pragmatic, less reactionary approach. And I find that that’s an amazing look and incredibly aware.

pieces, a piece of life, would you say George struggle opulence? Because there’s elements I’m sure, and the distinction of living versus being alive. Do you have elements and seasons of your life where you were living? And do feel like now you are alive?

George Stroumboulopoulos (09:04.766)
And again, do I feel like there were elements in the life where I was living?

Shane Hewitt (09:07.792)
Living as in, just living. I’m just living. Just living. What are you doing? I’m living, getting by. And then versus being alive, joyful, thriving.

George Stroumboulopoulos (09:12.29)
you mean just getting by? No, never. Never. Alive from the drop. Alive from the drop. No, no go through the motions for me. I am not. I have.

capacity for lots of things, but I have no capacity to waste my time. So this has always been a life’s work to be right in it, in the thick of it. I know it’s funny because when I think about that question and this answer that I’m giving you that

I don’t know how much of this is free will or how much of this is just, you know, your goat, your young, you know, I up in some pretty rough neighborhoods and some pretty interesting situations, interesting family dynamics. so as a result, my coping mechanisms became a mix of survival and managing fear. And so when I reached a certain age, I think there are certain groups of people, the fear that they kind of experience when they’re young is baked into them.

Or the fee or you or you go where I went, which is now none. And, you know, managing fear receptors. I would go to walk to school at seven years old. And in the era, I’m in my early fifties and I in the era where if there were another group of boys walking across the street, you were just afraid you were going to get into a fight every single day. So I think you just kind of are managing all of this all the time.

And because I’m so grateful to be a Gen Xer, my God, the unsurveilled generation, it came with great risk. I, and I grew up in the kind of neighborhoods my family and I were, they would throw the sex offenders before those, you know, before you knew. So there was a lot of, was, was, was shark infested waters. If you grow up poor, right? If you grow up poor and really poor, we grew up below the poverty line. So you, it’s shark infested waters. And what’s happened to me over the years is.

George Stroumboulopoulos (11:19.486)
None of that defines me or controls me. have. So I think when I was really young, I was imaginative. I read a lot. think this is a key factor in my life is that I read a lot and like long form books. And I. As a result, I fed my imagination. And I would not be governed by anything.

I would not be governed by fear. would not be governed by insecurity. I would not be governed by anything. If there’s something that rubs up against me and I feel like, this is a problem. This is going to hold me back. I will fix whatever that is so that it no longer holds me back. so, yeah, so I’ve never felt. I’ve never felt like I was just like sometimes at work, you just sit there and go, what am I doing? But I know in my heart, on my heart that it’s not it’s never really been a situ a problem for me.

Shane Hewitt (12:12.979)
If I had to describe it, I was asked when we were going through the prep for these, these conversations, why do you want to talk to George Stroumboulopoulos? Because he’s always been alive. That’s what I said. Because you’re always alive. And everything that you’ve done, you’ve

George Stroumboulopoulos (12:29.405)
I hear that you have to justify it to your boss that we had to do to tell him why would you want to talk to him?

Shane Hewitt (12:34.451)
I know I know I didn’t have to justify it just to be clear to anybody. I know you’re teasing. You said you have rough neighborhood growing up.

George Stroumboulopoulos (12:41.404)
Yeah, no, I’m just, yeah. I’m profound. I’m profoundly alive, man. And I’m so grateful for it. I think when people meet me, you listen, you know, you deal with this because you do this for a living. And you know, if you’ve been on the air long enough, you say lots of things and people have notions of who you are. And oftentimes it’s true because maybe we don’t effectively communicate the layers to ourselves. And so

It’s not like they don’t understand us. Maybe we just misrepresented ourselves. I don’t, I’m not. Yeah. So I’m not. That’s right. So I don’t, don’t, I don’t ever worry about that stuff. However, when people do get to know me, they, they come to realize just how much I value vitality and how much I think to be alive. God, there’s so many people who do what.

Shane Hewitt (13:11.292)
We’re not very good at sharing it. or regard too much in some areas. Yeah.

George Stroumboulopoulos (13:35.192)
They didn’t wake up this morning and they’re going to miss a hell of a day. And that’s a heartbreak for me. And so I feel like in a weird way, this is our obligation. if the cost of survival, what it costs you is to make the most of it if you can. And in some cases, that means I don’t mean toxic positivity, yay life. No, I mean, fight for things, make things better for other people. I reject toxic positivity, but I, but I fully embrace being alive. Jim will tell you, I,

I will go anywhere, do anything. You know, there’s a difference between being up for it or being down. I’m down, right? I’m not up for anything. I’m down for everything. And I think that is a fundamental characteristic of my existence.

Shane Hewitt (14:11.921)
Hmm. Yeah.

Shane Hewitt (14:19.471)
I had a phrase come to me lately every morning. What do you say first thing in the morning? And some people say, you know, all my hangover and some people say, man, it’s too early or it’s too bright. Some people say good morning to their lover. And the what should you say? The answer was, I made it I’m back. Being the first thing that you say in the morning, I’m back, I get another chance to do it again. Let’s go.

George Stroumboulopoulos (14:30.968)
Yep. Yep.

George Stroumboulopoulos (14:40.833)
One more night.

George Stroumboulopoulos (14:45.262)
had this realization many years ago, which is that every night I go to bed is one less night I get to go to bed. Because I’m not going to live to be 200. So every night I go to bed is one less night, one fewer night I get to go to bed.

Shane Hewitt (14:58.947)
that change for you recently as you get older because just before I turned 50, what shifted for me early early early this year was and I write it’s not about you but I wrote it about you know me and you being some general other person and I said the difference between you and I is that you are trying to figure out how much time you have to get stuff done and for me I’m calculating how much time I have left

George Stroumboulopoulos (15:29.678)
I’m very aware of how much time I have left. very aware. This has sort of dawned on me, I would say about…

Maybe 13, 14 years ago, 13, 14 years ago, I spent a lot of time alone and like a lot of time alone, probably more time alone than is healthy. But I’m not wired like a lot of people, so it works for me. But I recognize, me, that being alone this much, there’s a life, there’s a part of life that I’m not getting the most out of. And that’s when I had that thought.

God, I’m going to go to bed tonight and this will be one last time. I think when people tell you age is just a number, I think they’re wrong. I think age is a countdown. I don’t know anybody with a great attitude who’s 246 years old. It’s a countdown. And we just don’t know what we don’t still know when zero is because it doesn’t count down at the same time for everybody as we know. So I’ve built a life that’s super busy and packed and schedules and meetings and constantly doing things.

And I don’t think that that’s the right thing to do. But maybe it’s just the way I stay healthy and stay alive is by being busy. You know, because I’m one of those fellows. There’s a great lyric from Shannon Hoon in Blind Melon where he says, a man like me can easily let the day get out of control. That’s me. That’s me. So I have to build in guard. I have to build in guard rails to keep myself alive. And I. And I know that I don’t have that much time left.

Shane Hewitt (16:53.772)
Mm-hmm. I hear you there.

George Stroumboulopoulos (17:05.784)
I heard somebody say this about somebody the other day, a friend of mine called Brian. said he wants to be the guy. And this really resonated with me. And I want this to, you want to be the kind of person that when your name and number pops up on somebody else’s call display, they, they exhale rather than inhale. They, they’re excited to see your name on the screen. And I think that’s an act. That’s an act of love. And I think that’s an act of.

Revolution to be that kind of person. Not just that, because I’m not a talluminahti hippie mom. It’s not that it’s it’s that’s a component. The rest of it has to be, you know, more.

Shane Hewitt (17:43.791)
Yeah, no. I’ve, I’ve always described it as and I’ve never figured this out. Maybe you can help me figure this out too. Is that, you know, the high bright high vibration kind of person, right? That is able to function in that, that, that good energetic place. But I also at the same time, and maybe it’s a dichotomy, I don’t know, it’s, I also want to be the low pressure person in the room. I want to be that low pressure area that

George Stroumboulopoulos (18:04.386)
Yeah.

Shane Hewitt (18:12.319)
you know, when someone walks into the room, like a big and I’m sure you have experienced this, here’s me speaking for you. But someone walks in, you can feel the air, you can feel the vibration the minute they walk in the room. They’re just like, they’re functioning at a place where they walk in the room and everybody turns and looks. And I admire that I think it’s great that some people are able to live that way. But for me, I always I figure that when people look at me funny, that’s what they’re looking at. Because for me, the existence is to be the low pressure, the other end of it.

George Stroumboulopoulos (18:28.791)
Yeah.

George Stroumboulopoulos (18:38.478)
Yeah.

Shane Hewitt (18:42.358)
I want to be the low pressure, the peaceful, peaceful place in the room. and I haven’t figured that part out yet. Maybe I, maybe you can be both.

George Stroumboulopoulos (18:43.853)
Right.

George Stroumboulopoulos (18:47.853)
Yeah.

George Stroumboulopoulos (18:51.982)
I think, I think it should be both. And I think it comes down to a really important survival technique you learn when you’re young, which is called learn how to read the room. What does the room need? I don’t want to ever walk into a room and impose me on the room. want to walk into a room and make the room better. And sometimes that is to be the high pressure. Sometimes it’s to be the low pressure. I have inadvertently become the center of attention in rooms because of what I do for a living. And, and as you know, when people recognize you,

Sometimes it’s not about you. It’s more about how they connect to you. And I prefer that. So I go out of my way to feed the relationship more than me. I don’t walk into a room with big energy like I’m taking over the room. I don’t like that. I never did. But what I do believe is that the room requires different things. And sometimes you have to just sit back and make somebody else win and give them glory. And I think that’s the lovely thing, you know, and also the key to this, as you know, Shane, no one to leave the room.

Shane Hewitt (19:49.49)
that helps. That’s very good. Yeah, that’s it. That’s a that’s a good part of the success thing. That’s for sure. Well, you said contribute to the room. And I know the advocacy part of your world matters. So if you just want to contribute to the room, if the rest of the world’s society positivity is the room with the time you have left, what do think you have contributed to this beautiful world we call that room?

George Stroumboulopoulos (19:49.494)
No one to leave the room. That’s real secret for life. Yeah.

George Stroumboulopoulos (20:17.134)
I don’t know. I don’t know. might, I might, I might encourage you to ask other people that question because they can tell you more what I, know what I care about and I don’t have to be personally connected to a story to want to affect it. I don’t need to know somebody with this illness or know somebody in this country to want to go and work on behalf. I don’t have that. I don’t have kids. So I think, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Shane Hewitt (20:34.541)
Can I tell you then? Let me tell you. Well, if I’m ask other people, then I’ll ask myself, what does George Strombolopoulos contribute to this world? You contribute reliability, passion, loyalty, and standards that most people don’t deliver to the rest of this world. That’s what I see that you deliver.

George Stroumboulopoulos (20:59.118)
Very kind of you to say that and I think in large part I learned that from others. You know, I watched, you know, it’s funny when you grow up.

I didn’t have a dad right growing up. So I grew up, I was raised by a single mom and my mom was kind of one of those young moms. was a baby when she had me, right? And I watched my mom have to be all the things. And it’s really instructive when you recognize the cavalry ain’t coming, that you have to be the person. But then, but then, and this is, think the real beauty is there were so many great men in my neighborhoods.

Shane Hewitt (21:28.289)
Yeah.

George Stroumboulopoulos (21:40.014)
My uncle was a great, I have two uncles, great men. The man that my mother ended up marrying in my twenties, he’s a great man. And there were other men in the neighborhood who were great men. So when you were young, disenfranchised, angry boy in a compromised neighborhood or situation, you, you, you, I got to see firsthand how you got to do it all for yourself, do it all for your family, for my mom.

My mom worked very hard on behalf of the community. And that was another lesson watching her and then these great men say, it doesn’t have to be traditionally defined, but your role is to be there for other people. And this is, think, the key to my life, or at least not my life, because I don’t like thinking about myself in terms of what I am. I like thinking about it in terms of what it is I’m trying to do. This is all action, right? And so every now and then I go, oh, I’m this kind of guy. And then I think, oh, God, I hate having a label.

I would much rather just be somebody doing a thing. I got to spend time with Neil Armstrong and he told me the way he was describing him going to the moon, he kept describing it as I’m just a technician going to the job site. And I found that so, so illustrative to just be a technician going to the job site. And that’s how I kind of look at my life and work. I’m just a technician going to the job site and my job is to be there for other people because I’m wired to want that. I’m wired to do that. It takes no, it takes no effort for me.

I mean, sometimes it does, not really to the care. Caring is a thing I actually really do. And I think the world’s way better if people cared about people they didn’t know. Anybody can care for people. do know. Right. And I, I think it’s just a really, I think I’m really just a product of watching. I have a very small family of immigrants that I was raised by and great men in my neighborhood who just said, no man, be better.

Neighborhoods matter, community matters. And I think that’s why I grew up hating the government and still kind of do and all infrastructure and all systems. And I always railed against the police and the media and all this other stuff that people are like talking about now. If you grew up in poor neighborhoods, you knew it then. Because I also realized that change comes from the community. Change comes from the community. And that’s what I’m a big believer in. So why not be a part of the community, you know?

Shane Hewitt (23:58.38)
there’s lots there. I so I did a search, I went to one of the AIs and I asked the question I said, What do Shane Hewitt and George from a lot of us have in common? It’s funny that you said that you want to know the first thing it said? It said media veterans with a rebel streak. Both Shane and George are seasons broadcast veterans who asked bold questions and refused to play it safe. Which is kind of what you just said. that’s interesting.

George Stroumboulopoulos (24:11.512)
What did say?

George Stroumboulopoulos (24:15.522)
shit.

George Stroumboulopoulos (24:23.222)
Yeah, that’s kind of funny. Although I wouldn’t say it’s a bold streak. I would say it’s a streak of playing along. The majority of it is the boldness. It is not a bold streak. I think the real power is in the boldness of what we’re trying to do.

Shane Hewitt (24:39.229)
I would agree. I think you’re I think I agree. yeah, George, the things you do are really great. And I think that on behalf of all Canadians, not that I’m authorized to do so, but I did want to say thank you. And you’ve given I think all Canadians so much. It’s really interesting to hear you tell those stories about men in your life, because I think you’ve spent from the outside your entire life curious to learn more from people. And all the stories you share about meeting people.

that you get to share that that serves you with everybody else. And that’s why it’s so great to be able to watch your authenticity. One of the questions that often people get asked in conversations like this is what advice would you give to your younger self? And I’m going to turn that around the other way. You recently shared a video on your socials about the beer store video about your rebel self. Buying six packs underage is great. I loved it. And Tony Tedesco.

George Stroumboulopoulos (25:31.256)
Yeah, yeah, God, God, the more I think about it, the more the. Jen Exers had the best, I think Tony was outside that beer store to the same one.

Shane Hewitt (25:36.479)
Go to church.

he that’s what he said. He said I hung out that exact same beer store doing the exact same thing. So it was great. But the question that I want, I want to leave you with with this, George is that instead of asking you advice for your younger self, I’ve recently grown up to learn this question. In a moment of visualization and study. I got a very clear message that told me that I should stop trying to save my younger self. And I’m going to listen to my younger self.

George Stroumboulopoulos (25:45.752)
We went to high school together, yeah?

Shane Hewitt (26:08.543)
What is something that young George still needs to or can teach today’s George as opposed to today’s George taking care of young George? What is something that young George can still teach today’s George?

George Stroumboulopoulos (26:26.648)
All that reckless energy, that sense of abandon, that…

The end result doesn’t matter at all. It’s being in the moment and doing the thing. That’s who I, that still holds true today. We have been conditioned to focus on the result, the outcome.

But when I was a kid with no future, no plans, no desires to do any of this stuff, no ambition, no designs at no university, nobody in my family, I don’t think ever really asked me what I wanted to do for a living. So I apply, I attribute no value to my career. My accomplishments in my professional life carry no weight in my mind.

for the kind of person that I am or whether or not I feel like a success or not. I don’t care about any of that stuff. I never, I want to succeed because it allows me to keep doing the thing I like, but it is a means to an end rather than the end. And that to me has always been the case. And sometimes in a career and in life, can, you can think about the strategic move a little too much. What should I be doing? And

Whereas for me, younger version of me.

George Stroumboulopoulos (27:53.678)
And it’s funny because I feel more like the 18 year old version of me now than I have in a long time, which was, doesn’t matter. Nothing matters. How you treat people matters, but pretty much everything else doesn’t matter. So just go. And the younger version of me was just like, who cares what the results going to be? Let’s just go. And that’s, and I sometimes, you know, I keep a couple of pictures in my phone of me when I was younger doing crazy things.

Shane Hewitt (27:59.53)
Mm-hmm.

George Stroumboulopoulos (28:22.904)
And I look at those pictures and I just look at that guy. And if I ever feel too far from that guy, I don’t try to change my perspective of the 18 year old version of me. I try to tweak the version of me today because I think you have to put yourself into that, not just a critical thinking tune up machine, but you have to put yourself into the joyous reckless abandon, the folly of youth kind of version of you too. And you have to keep that, that machine tuned up. That’s how I definitely do it.

Shane Hewitt (28:52.371)
George strombell opulence. I think you’re one of the cool Canadians. And my biggest takeaway from all this aside from you’ve done nothing but verify and authenticate I think what everybody already thinks of you, you’ve already proven it through the course of time again and again and again, is this line here and this is the takeaway for me anyway. Can you care for the people that you don’t know? And for the sake of being thorough? Yes, I’m down for it. To be particular.

George Stroumboulopoulos (28:58.286)
you’re kind.

Shane Hewitt (29:20.979)
George Stramblopoulos, thanks for being here, brother.

George Stroumboulopoulos (29:22.37)
love it. love it. Hey, happy Canada Day, bro, to everybody listening. What a strange time, to be Canadian.

Shane Hewitt (29:29.45)
It’s a crazy time, this has been fun.

George Stroumboulopoulos (29:34.189)
Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. If you see Jim in the hallway, him my love,